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Sabina England: Muslim Woman In Your Face


I met Sabina England online through a mutual friend and was immediately drawn to her because of her outspokenness.  Her self-assured, in-your-face, smart-sexy-cool persona is unique among the Muslim women artists you usually see promoting themselves on the internet.  When I asked her for an interview for my blog, she graciously accepted.  My initial plan was to write about her and then insert some quotes, but when I went back and re-read our gchat conversation I thought it might be more enjoyable to read it verbatim.  After all, unconventional people call for unconventional blog posts.  Enjoy.


me: Hello? Salaams?


sabina england:  hey you there? I’m so sorry about the late delay!! ugh yeah I’m here.


me:   No worries. I thought I had messed up the gchat. How are you?


sabina england:   noo i got your message and then started my laptop. I had totally forgotten all about the interview. My mind went totally blank.  I am alright and yourself? how r u?


me:   I’m good. Just winding down after a long day. So are you living here, or just visiting [in the U.S.]?  I wasn’t sure.  I’m trying to piece together the lifeline–born in India, moved to UK…at what age?


sabina england:   I was born in the UK both my paernts are from Bihar, India


me:   Got it.  Ok, SO. I’d love to ask you some questions about your art. I got quite a bit of info about your devotion to punk from that last blog interview you did.


sabina england:   feel free to ask away


me:   But I’m really interested to know about your creative side…what made you want to express yourself as a writer and performer?  As opposed to say…becoming an accountant.


sabina england:   when i was younger, i was not a very sociable person because i felt alienated from everyone else in the community due to my deafness, so i often watched old movies and i saw a lot of theatrical plays (as well as reading stage plays) and i drew and painted a lot and wrote lots of poetry, so creativity was always a way for me to express my feelings while all other kids were busy gossiping or hanging out or playing sports or whatever. today i like to write plays and make videos and i directed and produced a short film to express my beliefs and to share my observations that i have of the world, i’m very interested in how Muslims are perceived by society, and I like to create strong, un-typical intimidating female characters that are either Muslim or South Asian


me:   I love that. Really. I think one of the things most modern Muslim women constantly fight against is preconceived notions about who /what we are.


sabina england:   definitely.  have you seen this?  http://muslimahmediawatch.org/2011/07/in-your-local-bookstore/.  This photo says it all how Muslim women are portrayed.


me:   WOW. Did you take this?


sabina england:   no, Kawdess (a Sudanese blogger from Dubai) took this photo on her Tumblr and I passed it on to Fatemeh who is the editor of Muslimah Media Watch and she thought it was so funny because it was exactly what she always writes AGAINST about everyday in the media.


me:   Totally.  The other day I saw you posted something funny on your Facebook.


sabina england:   yeah?


me:   You randomly posted that people are always accusing you of being angry and aggressive, but that surprises you because you’re actually a very happy, content person. That is the same thing ‘feminists’ get accused of as well. And I wonder why people assume that women who are outspoken, or who aren’t afraid of expressing themselves fully are always assumed to be angry.


sabina england:   hahahaha i know! and when they accuse me of having severe anger issues, I always send them my youtube channel and then they see my comedy videos and they think that can’t be the same person!


me:   But you don’t have a problem showing anger if you feel it in the moment. That is, you don’t feel the need to suppress it if it is a genuine emotion.  Which, frankly, a lot of women do.


sabina england:   yeah and at least TWO heterosexual white males always message me on Facebook every week to tell me how they feel about me. Either I am mentally disturbed and I have extreme anger issues, or that I need to “calm down” and try to enjoy life, or that I seem like an unhappy person and if I stop paying so much attention to what’s going on in the world, then I’d be happier.


me:   Heh.


sabina england:   I have a lot of male friends and they are very outspoken and angry (but in a constructive way) and many of them are rappers or writers and they use their anger as a tool to express their feelings. That’s the same for me, too. But because they are male, its “NORMAL” and even “intellectual” for them but to these people, I am just some crazy, deranged, bitter woman who needs help. Whatever.


me:   EXACTLY my point. Why the double standard?


sabina england:   and to these people, yeah sure, go ahead and keep attacking me and tell me I am crazy, deranged, bitter, and you know what ? I dont give a FUCK!!! I will still be an angry woman and I will always speak my mind and I’ll express myself the way I want to, and if you dont like it, you can go fuck off.  I’m not here to explain myself or defend myself.  I am only here to express my feelings and no one can stop me. I am not here to “convert” people to accept my beliefs either, I only speak my mind and I care more about reaching out to my SISTERS and give them a different perspective that they haven’t heard before, I care more about my sisters than I do about a bunch of privileged, whiney heterosexual white males, they don’t matter to me and are irrelevant to me. An example: a white British guy posted a comment to one of my comedy videos “Allah Save the Punk!” and he asked me why was I trying to make Islam “appealing” to non-Muslims? and i replied back that I was NEVER trying to make Islam appealing to non-Muslims, I make videos for MY brothers and sisters, to show them different Muslim characters that they can relate to. I don’t do it for non-Muslims, I do it for MY brothers and sisters.


me:    The idea of shame, the threat of being ‘unloved’ and the threat of being labeled ‘unfeminine’, ‘whorish’ and/or ‘rebellious’ have been used to keep women in check since the dawn of time. I’ve been aware of this from a very young age…and I think all girls are sort of indoctrinated in this thinking from a young age. But at a certain point I decided I didn’t care. That point came after I went through the proverbial fire and really tested myself. Was there a point like that for you in your life? When you just realized ‘fuck it’ I’m going to BE ME.


sabina england:    All those feelings I had about being a proper feminine woman, went out the window the day I shave my sides off and got a mohawk! so having a mohawk allowed me to express myself in a different way and I still felt feminine. Anyway I don’t believe in gender binaries, all that shit is artificial and meaningless. I dont have a mohawk anymore and now my hair is growing long and I guess I look “feminine” but I am often told that I have a very aggressive butch personality, but I dont care. that’s who I am and Im not gonna change myself for any man. If I want a man, he better love me and accept me the way I am, or he can check himself out the door but, i guess the point about not caring about being thought of as a whore, was when I became attracted to punk rock and feminism and punk rock taught me NOT to give a fuck what people think of me.


me:   That’s fantastic. Many young women are forced to either go through it themselves, or regress back to their ‘place’ in society. It’s wonderful that you had Punk as a friend when you needed it most.  So…the big question is… how do your parents feel about having a Punk Rock Girl for a daughter? Are they traditional ‘desi’ types? Or do they understand your point of view?


sabina england:   Today, they accept me for who I am. when I was younger, it was always a battle of the wills. my mother often despaired of why i wouldn’t act like a proper Indian Muslim daughter, and my dad didn’t want me to become a playwright or filmmaker, he said that no one would want to go see a play or a movie about Muslims or South Asians or Deaf people, but this was in the 90s and things have changed a lot back then. My parents always tried to change me when I was younger, but not anymore. It’s who I am, and they accept me for who I am. they don’t pressure me or nag me anymore


me:   Good deal.


sabina england:   I think I’m lucky for that. Sometimes they dont always understand me, but they TRY.


me:   Certainly the fact that you’ve been internationally recognized for your work helps soothe any concerns they have that you’ve lost your marbles.  So back to the art—how do you see it evolving? What’s the next step for you? Are you considering doing any full-length features?


sabina england:   hahaha.  yeah right, I wish. I would love to do a full length feature, but money is always a major concern, so I have been thinking of producing one of my own plays in New York City but I would need to raise money for that. and I would love to write, direct and produce another short film but I also need money for that… so right now my main projects are to finish writing a new full length punk rock stage play that involves Muslims, punks, terrorists, drug dealers, homeless bums, and small town Americans. I am also hoping to go to San Francisco to make a music video with Micropixie (I will send you her fan page) and I also hope to start working on some new signed poetry videos (a mixture of poetry and American Sign Language) because it’s something I’ve never done before.  I am also working on a novel, but that shit takes a while because I need it to be perfect.


me:   Are there any writers/directors/performers that inspire you in your work? Either past or present?


sabina england:   Lucille Ball has always been my biggest inspiration since I was a little girl because growing up, she was always told how ugly and untalented she was and she’d never get anywhere. She proved them all wrong and got her show “I Love Lucy” and became the FIRST woman in the history of Hollywood to take charge of a production studio. Not to mention she was fuckin’ badass and had a great sense of humor.


me:   Ooh. Good one. I like her too–for the same reasons. She defined her own place in the industry.


sabina england:   mmhmm she was amazing. when i was a little kid sometimes she appeared in my dreams and gave me advice. I’m sure some people will think I am crazy, but these were still nice dreams


me:   What has been your biggest challenge as you’ve established your artistic voice? Obviously most people might assume it would be your deafness–but was it that? Or was there something else that really caused you to struggle?


sabina england:   well, when i was in college and a famous theatre director from london came, I don’t wanna say who it was because I’m not one to name names, but when I asked him for advice on how to get a career started in theatre, he laughed and he said it would be impossible for me because of my deafness and of communication issues… that made me feel so insecure, angry, upset and low. I thought he was right. I believed him. so for a long time i always felt my deafness was an obstacle, but when I began meeting people online who were deaf, black, Muslim, or female filmmakers or multimedia artists or musicians who had some great success, they all showed me that if I wanted to be an artist, I had to create MY OWN opportunities, so I just did that and I went to make a film on my own and I raised money from the public. So, I guess, the biggest challenges I face today as an artist, would be money because I’d like to get more money to pursue creative projects. Everything else is good to go. I have lots of stories to say, I am Deaf, I am Muslim, I am Indian, I am feminsit, I am a punk rocker, I got so much to tell the world.


me:   How has the internet helped you promote yourself as an independent artist?


sabina england:   oh definitely. If it wasn’t for youtube or vimeo, I wouldn’t be able to show my videos to the world, especially to other Muslims, Arabs, South Asians, who all liked my characters I played. as well as my blog where I publish my creative works and I draw in an audience and I’ve made some cool friends and got some good opportunities out of it.


me:   Have fellow Muslims been receptive? Obviously there will always be the ones who want to condemn anything they don’t like as ‘un-Islamic’ but what are you getting good response as well?


sabina england:   mostly the response from other Muslims has been really great and supportive. More Muslims are likely to be supportive because like me, they are tired of the stereotypical, cliched passive Muslim writers and artists and characters out there, and I give them something different. I haev been asked to put one of my comedy videos in an Islamic festival in Paris, France that plan to target young French Muslims who come from urban backgrounds, and I hope they’ll get a kick out of my videos


me:   Wow! Fantastic!  So what advice would you give another young Muslim girl or woman who wants to strike out on her own and do something different or new? Perhaps not even art or Punk–but something that is drastically different from what her family and culture expect from her?


sabina england:   she shouldn’t be afraid, she should follow her dreams and just fuckin’ go for it. You can’t always make other people happy, but you should always make yourself happy first before you try to make others happy. And if your family really loves you, they would support you in whatever you want to do. And if they dont– well, show them how wrong they are, and show them why you’re gonna do what you wanna do. DON’T BE AFRAID AND GET OUT THERE!!!


me:   I LOVE IT.  Ok I wont take up much more of your time. I’d love to get a photo of you that I can use, and I’d like to share one of your videos on the blog–do you have any recommendations or is there a specific one you’d like me to share?


sabina england:   its for a Muslim website, right? So you can use “Allah Save the Punk!” video and I will email a photo to you tonight


me:   I mean this sincerely–please let me know if I can ever help promote you and your work. I’m happy to do whatever I can to get the word out…


sabina england:   thanks


me:   Ok, I think this is good. I’ve taken up an hour so I’ll let you go. I really appreciate your time.  You inspire me!


sabina england:   no problem! but im glad you asked me to be interviewed for the website, so i look forward to the link.  hope u have a great night! peace xx


me:   I’ll let you know as soon as it’s up.  You have a great night too. <3



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Don’t Ask, Don’t Tennessee: Why Muslims and the LGBTQ Community Should Be Allies

I’m honored to present this guest post by Chris Stedman.  Chris an Interfaith and Community Service Fellow, Humanist Chaplaincy at Harvard and Managing Director, State of Formation at Journal of Inter-Religious Dialogue. He is also a columnist for Huffington Post Religion and blogs at NonProphet Status. He tweets from @ChrisDStedman.

This year, two notable controversies have been brewing in Tennessee: a proposed bill that would forbid educators from using the word “gay” in the classroom, and a court battleto determine whether or not Islam is a religion. (The verdict? Islam is in fact a religion—for now, anyway.)

These two issues may seem unrelated, but I believe they’re actually symptoms of the same problem—our nation’s historical difficulty with those who are seen as disrupting the status quo. Intolerance against Muslims and LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer) individuals isn’t exclusive to Tennessee; with a fever-pitched debate over Park51 (or the “Ground Zero Mosque”) and headline-grabbing concerns about anti-LGBTQ bullying, these issues are a national concern.

Last month, I went to Tennessee for the first time. I spoke at Vanderbilt about the need for the religious and the nonreligious to find better ways of engaging with one another and identifying action-oriented shared values, sharing some of the experiences I write about in my forthcoming memoir, (F)a(i)theist: How One Atheist Learned to Challenge the Religious-Secular Divide, and Why Atheists and the Religious Must Work Together (working title, Beacon Press 2012).

While there, I talked with a number of people about the ongoing struggles for Tennessee’s Muslim community. We discussed their Lieutenant Governor’s remarks that he is “not sure” if the Constitution guarantees freedom of religion to Muslims and his characterization of Islam a “cult;” proposed legislation that would make the practice of Sharia punishable by 15 years in prison; and how the site of a future mosque had been the subject of arson.

This wasn’t my first exposure to the challenges many American Muslims face. When I lived in Chicago, I worked extensively with the Muslim community. At first blush, it seemed we had little in common. I once walked into a meeting in a too-small t-shirt and neon green skinny jeans, my tattoo sleeve exposed and hollow gauges in my stretched earlobes, when a woman with a bright smile framed by a beautiful purple headscarf approached me and asked why I was there. I told her that I was a contract employee of the Interfaith Youth Core (IFYC), and was interested in learning more about what they were doing.

“Oh!” she exclaimed. “And what faith tradition are you a part of?”

“None,” I said, returning her smile. “I’m an atheist.”

Her eyes flicked to my right, as if to check with someone if it was alright for me to be there. But her hesitation didn’t last long; within minutes, we were gushing over our mutual love for a new Brother Ali song, “Tightrope.” In it, Brother Ali, a Muslim rapper from my home state of Minnesota, tells the stories of a young Muslim woman who faces discrimination for wearing a headscarf and a closeted gay teenager who is the son of an anti-gay Christian minister. We bonded over how we both felt that the song had represented struggles we ourselves had experienced, and the parallels between them. By the end of the conversation, we had uncovered a lot of common ground between our seemingly disparate identities.

After that conversation, I reflected on how different it was than the ones I had when working with the Somali community in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I volunteered weekly at the Brian Coyle Community Center (BCCC). Just blocks from my college, BCCC served the Cedar-Riverside neighborhood—one of the most densely populated areas in Minnesota, with nearly 2,000 apartment units in a two-block area. The makeup of the neighborhood was primarily Somali immigrants, the majority of whom were Muslim.

I volunteered at BCCC and started to become an active member of the community. As a result, I began to understand better the joys and challenges the Somali immigrant community in Minneapolis faced. When a young girl with round brown eyes and a striking red head scarf vividly described her first encounter with snow, I felt like I was experiencing Minnesota winter for the first time. When a mother with one child in her left arm and two running around her feet thanked me for helping her son with his math homework, I informed her that he actually knew more about the subject than I did. When I missed a week due to a bad cold, everyone grinned at my return and told me how much they had missed and worried about me. We became invested in one another’s lives, and we taught one another how to be together. They even tried to coach me on some rudimentary Somali, but always playfully chided me for not sounding forceful enough: “You sound too Minnesotan!” they’d say with a chuckle (and they were right: I did).

But when it came to matters of religious life, I disengaged. As a former evangelical Christian turned atheist, I believed that religion was something best left undiscussed. They were free to their religious beliefs, I thought, but it didn’t mean I had to listen to them talk about it.

One day I stayed late, caught up in conversation with a group of regulars. Gradually all but one trickled away, leaving me and a young woman I had spoken with a handful of times. She was petite, but her presence filled the room—she spoke rapidly and precisely. A couple plates of food scraps sat on the table in front of us as we quizzed one another on the details of our lives.

After some talk of how terrible the Minnesota NBA team had been playing that year and which local politicians we were voting for, she paused and looked down at the nearly empty plate in front of her and took a deep breath.

“You know, some days I’m really afraid to go out in public because of how I dress. I just get tired of dealing with the stares and jeers my hijab elicits,” she said, barely audible. We were both silent. I heard a shout from down the hall that the gymnasium was closing and all basketballs should be returned to the equipment closet.

“It’s not exactly the same thing, but I think I can empathize,” I said before I could stop myself. She looked up. Her face showed that she was curious about how I, a white male who looked like every other young hipster, might relate.

“Sometimes I get really nervous about the looks I get when I’m holding another man’s hand in public.” I wasn’t sure how she would respond to this new information. I wasn’t really out as queer to anyone at BCCC—I assumed that, because many of them were religious, it would be an issue. She smiled, and I realized I hadn’t taken a breath in the last minute.

“When I’m afraid of how others might receive me,” she said, leaning in, her elbows sliding across the table in perfect unison like a pair of synchronized swimmers, “it is my belief in Allah that gives me strength.” She wasn’t proselytizing; she was sharing her beliefs. She hadn’t asked for clarification about what I had said, hadn’t condemned me; she hadn’t even blinked.

“May I ask you: what gives you strength when you get such looks, or when someone says something disparaging about you because of who you are?” She looked me in the face, her eyes warm and brown and invitational.

I froze. I looked down at her elbows and noticed that they were fixed in place, their choreography finished. The show was over, and I too was done.

“Um, do you know when this place shuts down for the night?” I asked, shifting my head to the left, unable to look her in the eye.

Her religious beliefs were integral to her identity, and she opened a door for us to discuss the things that mattered to us both with candor and honesty. But I was afraid to open up to her—the gulf I imagined between the experiences of a gay atheist and Muslim woman seemed too vast. Rising abruptly, I picked up the plates from the table and grabbed my bike helmet with a fumble, inventing some story about a big paper that was due the next day.

Working with the Muslim community in Chicago, I realized how problematic my “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to working with the Muslim community in Minneapolis had been; how my refusal to engage the religious identities of those I worked with at BCCC closed me off from countless opportunities to build bridges of understanding and respect with a community I honestly knew very little about, aside from my academic study of Islam. And how, by refusing to open up to them about my own beliefs and experiences, I denied them the opportunity to learn about me—to really know me and understand the challenges that I faced.

Religious and LGBTQ identities are important, and when we try to tuck them away in some dark and dusty corner we lose something integral. When open discussion about essential aspects of our identity becomes taboo—when we are forced to silence the stories of who we are and what matters to us—intolerance goes unchallenged and we are its accomplices, complicit in allowing others to be cast aside. When we see the other as so different that we think we can find no common ground, we allow others to see them as not-quite-human, too.

It is fear of the unknown that keeps us apart. Telling people that they can’t use the word “gay” in the classroom, or suggesting that Islam isn’t a religion—that it shouldn’t been seen as in the same realm as Christianity and other religions—and that Muslims shouldn’t be able to build a Mosque, prevents us from learning about one another. Religious literacy is abysmal in the United States while religious diversity thrives, breeding ignorance and fear of the other. The time that a friend of mine had her hijab ripped off, and the time I was physically assaulted by a group of men who shouted “fag” at me, share a common root.

Last year, a Gallup poll demonstrated something the LGBTQ community has known for some time: people are significantly more inclined to oppose gay marriage if they do not know anyone who is gay. Similarly, a Time Magazine cover story featured revealing numbers that speak volumes about the correlation between positive relationships and civic support; per their survey, 46 percent of Americans think Islam is more violent than other faiths and 61 percent oppose Park51, but only 37 percent even know a Muslim American. Another survey, by Pew, reported that 55 percent of Americans know “not very much” or “nothing at all” about Islam. The disconnect is clear—when only 37 percent of Americans know a Muslim American, and 55 percent claim to know very little or nothing about Islam, the negative stereotypes about the Muslim community go unchallenged.

The Muslim and LGBTQ communities face common challenges that stem from the same problem—that diverse communities don’t have robust and durable civic ties. This is why the Muslim and LGBTQ communities ought to be strong allies.

This shouldn’t suggest that there won’t be some profound disagreements, and that engagement won’t be fraught and difficult—perhaps especially so for those whose identities are located at the intersection of LGBTQ and Muslim—but if we avoid this engagement simply because it may be hard, or messy, or complex, then we have ceded victory to the forces of intolerance and allowed our voices to be subsumed by those whose bombastic volume is designed to drown us out.

As Robert Wright wrote in the New York Times last year, the LGBTQ community has learned that engaged relationships change people’s hearts and minds, and this is a model that can be applied to the issue of anti-Muslim bias as well. All the more, I believe that the LGBTQ and Muslim communities would do well to join together and decry the voices that wish to marginalize either—and, often, the voices that marginalize both.

Until Tennessee, and all of the United States, is a safe place for both LGBTQ individuals and Muslims, it will not be a safe place for anyone. But together, Muslims, LGBTQ individuals, and all of those committed to equality can ensure that this is so.

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